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Cold Start: Celica Varietals

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Something that you generally don’t really see anymore is one model of car with multiple, significantly different body styles. Like this 1980 Toyota Celica, which you could have in liftback or coupé form, and the body changes were significant, with everything different from the B-pillar back. This isn’t some VW Atlas/Atlas Cross Sport  situation where you need a tape measure to know which version you’re looking at.

What if the new Supra, for example, came in a fastback and coupé form? Or if you could get a notchback version of the Kia Soul? Or even two- and four-door versions of the same car? That’s pretty much gone, too.

Is that bad? Good? Honestly, I don’t even know anymore. Maybe it was confusing, maybe it was fun? Probably both.

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hugh crawford
hugh crawford
2 years ago

Well the Supra used to be a Celica. Now I hear it’s a BMW.

Autonormalo
Autonormalo
2 years ago

Looks like a mini 6 series in that frame. 🙂

Ruivo
Ruivo
2 years ago

Perhaps it is the opposite, manufacturers are not constraining their platforms to fit the same model. Instead of having a Golf SUV, VW just calls it the Skoda Yeti externally, and P35Q internally.
Seriously, I had to look it up, and on the Wikipedia page, the list of models (and brands) on each platform just gets bigger and bigger – maybe it is a testament to better modularity on the platform, or better/blander marketing targeting.
I sure do miss having an obvious connection between wildly different body styles, but maybe this is just because I saw that a lot while I was growing up. I still remember my glee when I realized that the original VW T2 was actually meant to resemble a Beetle. Look: | o \ / o | and (o\_/o) !

Iain Delaney
Iain Delaney
2 years ago

Does anyone sell a fastback hatchback any more? I mean, my FRS is is fastback (pretty much) but it has a trunk, My first car, my CRX, had a hatch, as did my Eagle Talon. And Mom’s horrible Datsun F10 was a hatch, and Dad’s 944, which my nephew now has. But does anything, even the exotics, come with a hatch now?

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
2 years ago
Reply to  Iain Delaney

I was a teenager in the ’80s, so I always just assumed hatchback coupes would just exist forever. I’m sad at how wrong I was. Back in those days, even economy cars were offered with them (e.g. the Chevy Cavalier Type 10).

With the end of the Fox body, the Mustang hatchback got replaced with a semi-fastback style that’s a sorta reinterpretation of the orignals from the ’60s – lots of raked glass with a small trunklid at the end.

CivoLee
CivoLee
2 years ago
Reply to  Iain Delaney

Not in coupe form, but there are some 4-door fastback liftbacks like the Kia Stinger (for now), Audi A5/S5/RS5 Sportbacks and the BMW 4 Series GC…

Unfortunately the people who actually pay for cars new decided having vehicles that were (relatively) fast, practical and inexpensive were for lame/poor people who could only afford one car.

ProudLuddite
ProudLuddite
2 years ago
Reply to  Iain Delaney

I think it is a crime the FR-S doesn’t have a hatch. It is the type of car that people will often buy as a daily driver. The hatch makes a little two seat sportscar so much more user friendly. I had an MGB-GT, then later a first generation RX7. Surprisingly useful cars for little two seaters. I drove an FR-S when they first came out. It never occured to me they would build such a car without a hatch, I just assumed it would. After driving it, my main impression was f the car was not related to looks or performance, it was, “where is the hatch?”

wooly data
wooly data
2 years ago

Is Mercedes not the king of this kind of thing? You can get an E class coupe, sedan, or wagon. You can get a C class coupe or sedan.

GermyShoe
GermyShoe
2 years ago

My Buick Regal TourX also has a sedan version which is completely different behind the C pillar. As is my V90 Cross Country… although I guess technically the S90 is a different model. Obviously, this happens a lot in Europe from which these two cars originate.

dogisbadob
dogisbadob
2 years ago

The first two gens of the Celica are cool as fuck

Don’t forget the Celica Camry too 😉

Jumboman
Jumboman
2 years ago
Reply to  dogisbadob

I had a 81 Celica GT notch with the 22R, and a 85 Celica GT hatch with the 22RE. The later version was a much better car. Better built. Rode better, was faster.

Citrus
Citrus
2 years ago

Remember when the Chrysler Sebring was available as a coupe, convertible and sedan, but the coupe wasn’t even the same platform as the convertible and sedan?

HonkeyfromtheCIA
HonkeyfromtheCIA
2 years ago

I know this is a crappy example but I remember the Chevy Cavalier from the mid-80’s being available as a 2 door coupe, 2 door hatchback, sedan, wagon, convertible, and even in a faux sporty Z-24 trim. Being a Cavalier, those are probably all bad choices but at least there were choices.

Turbo1BDP
Turbo1BDP
2 years ago

I had an ’86 hatchback with the Iron Duke. I envied the rich kids who had the Z24. It had a V6 and nearly twice the horsepower, 80 something versus 140ish.

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
2 years ago

Yes! The Type 10 was handsome for what it was, and had bad-ass steel wheels that I still to this day adore.

Joe The Drummer
Joe The Drummer
2 years ago

I’ve got a better one: the Oldsmobile Cutlass. In the early 1970s, it could be had in hardtop fastback coupe, hardtop notchback coupe, convertible, four-door sedan, and station wagon versions. And hell, in the midst of the 1988 switch over from the G-body platform to the W-body platform, you could buy one in rear OR front wheel drive.

thebishopofarcana
thebishopofarcana
2 years ago

Jason- you forgot to mention that these Celicas were one of the first (if not THE first) Toyotas styled in America (CALTY office), and it was designed by a former child actor, David Stollery.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0831564/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

mrcanoehead
mrcanoehead
2 years ago

And while it’s subjective, I thought the chiseled previous generation was much more attractive. I was pretty disappointed the first time I saw the new bar of soap profile.

jadielyn
jadielyn
2 years ago

….why do I have the urge to make myself comfortable and come to where the flavor is?

Shooting Brake Advocate
Shooting Brake Advocate
2 years ago

I love these ’70s and early ’80s Japanese cars for some reason, especially the spartan, RWD coupes. My ex had a Plymouth Colt hatchback, an ’83 I believe, and when I learned the prior generation was RWD I went on a hunt to track one down, but I digress.

It’d be nice if there were more options when it came to body styles, four doors is two too many. Makes me wonder what a Kia Stinger coupé would have looked like, or if it would have sold well.

ProudLuddite
ProudLuddite
2 years ago

And there was a slightly longer version with the 6 that was the Celica Supra, don’t remember if it was just a different nose or it has a different wheelbase. Celica Supra back then. Posting pics would be a great add on here…

VolvoForLife
VolvoForLife
2 years ago

Not much has changed at Toyota. Today they offer the Corolla, Corolla Hatchback, and Corolla Cross. All very different bodies under the same nameplate.

MaximillianMeen
MaximillianMeen
2 years ago

Hey now! The Mustang comes in a 2-door coupe, a 2-door convertible, and a 4-door crossover EV that is totally a real Mustang and not just a marketing gimmick!

Man With A Reliable Jeep
Man With A Reliable Jeep
2 years ago

This just makes me miss my 1982 L-Type Celica Supra. Loved the wheels and stock rear louvers on that thing. Oh, and the digital speedo/information center still worked fine! In fact, so did the pop-up headlights. Very impressive. Sure, it only had the 5M-GE, but it was a sedate mate for the semi-sporty touring aspirations of that lovely cruiser.

Joe The Drummer
Joe The Drummer
2 years ago

My 1983 Celica GT notch is still perhaps favorite car I’ve ever owned.

Frogman
Frogman
2 years ago

The late 80s- early 90’s S13 240sx was offered in a hatch, coupe, and eventually convertible. The hatch and coupe looked very different as they were based on the 180sx and Silvia in foreign markets but brought to North America under the same model name.

10001010
10001010
2 years ago

Remember when the WRX used to be available as a sedan or a hatch? I do 🙁

Data
Data
2 years ago
Reply to  10001010

Pepperidge Farms remembers.

adamrice
adamrice
2 years ago
Reply to  10001010

Shoot, I remember when it was available as a wagon. I *had* that wagon. Other cars were available as wagons too!

10001010
10001010
2 years ago
Reply to  adamrice

I had the wagon too until it was taken away in 2017. For the past 4.5 years I’ve been telling everyone, including Subaru, how much I miss it.

rootwyrm
rootwyrm
2 years ago

The 1980’s Celica actually was available in five wildly different body styles.
Notchback (SA6x,) hatchback (RA6x,) AA6x coupe, TA6x coupe, and RA6x convertible (done by ASC.) That’s not even touching on the fact that the TA6x was built as live rear axle and IRS at the same time.

It’s also quite possibly the first time a Japanese company gave North America a car that could not be bought in Japan or Europe – the GT-S convertible was only ever sold in the United States.

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
2 years ago
Reply to  rootwyrm

Was that one the “Sunchaser” model?

TriangleRAD
TriangleRAD
2 years ago
Reply to  rootwyrm

Another car that was built as live axle and IRS at the same time is the 1984 Nissan 200SX. Base-model 2.0L cars had a solid rear axle and rear drum brakes, while 200SX turbos had rear discs and IRS.

For 1985 onward they used the IRS and rear discs in all models.

mr.choppers
mr.choppers
2 years ago
Reply to  rootwyrm

Only three bodystyles AFAIK (notch, hatch, convertible), and the initial leading letters in the chassis numbers indicate engine family – SA6x having S-series engines, TA6x T-series and so on. Earlier Toyotas did receive different numbers for different bodystyles, but Toyota found themselves running out of numbers and stopped that practice. Commercial versions and major chassis changes still merited different numbers.

TA60 means 2T engine and live rear axle, TA61 is 2T engine and IRS. TA62 has the 3T engine, and so on in mostly chronological order of development. This system was muddled by Toyota US using conflicting numbers for different equipment levels in the VIN, meaning a 22R-engined ST with an RA64 model code has a VIN containing “RA63″…

Clusker_Du
Clusker_Du
2 years ago

Fox body Mustangs came in hatch and notch variants – not really my bag so I’m not sure if they were always sold at the same time. Now what is my jam is late 80’s Nissan Pulsar’s! Hatch, Sportback, Naked – all the versions!

MaximillianMeen
MaximillianMeen
2 years ago
Reply to  Clusker_Du

I believe both coupe and hatch were sold for the entire run of Foxes from 79-93. FYI, the convertible was added in 83 and ran through 93, so 3 body styles for 10 years. And that is without taking into consideration the extra body cladding the GTs got from 89-93, and the unique styling features of the SVO that ran from 84-86.

Clusker_Du
Clusker_Du
2 years ago

Ha Ha! I totally forgot there were convertible versions of the Foxstang.

Turbo1BDP
Turbo1BDP
2 years ago
Reply to  Clusker_Du

Yes, and I seem to remember that the pursuit versions were always the notchback.

Maymar
Maymar
2 years ago
Reply to  Turbo1BDP

Yup, the notches were stiffer, probably lighter, and a little cheaper. I don’t even think Ford bothered making a pursuit-spec hatch.

Jack Trade
Jack Trade
2 years ago
Reply to  Turbo1BDP

For the hardcore performance type, the notchback was always preferred as the lightest possible variant.

Hence the popularity of the LX 5.0 over the actual GT model with that crowd.

CoolDave
CoolDave
2 years ago

I think these days most people don’t really care what the model badge says so much as what the manufacturer badge is. Coupled with 4-door sedans being called ‘coupes’ etc. and it’s kind of a moot point.

That said, I dig those Celicas!

DubblewhopperNdubbletrubble
DubblewhopperNdubbletrubble
2 years ago
Reply to  CoolDave

The very early 70s Celica’s ruled with their Camaro-esque styling.

CoolDave
CoolDave
2 years ago

The first gen cars were definitely some of the coolest, I like the later 70’s ones where they look like someone stuck a Mustang in a copier and pressed 60%.

DubblewhopperNdubbletrubble
DubblewhopperNdubbletrubble
2 years ago

Señores y señoras
Nosotros tenemos más influencia con sus hijos que tú tiene, pero los queremos
Creado y regado de Los Angeles, Juana’s Addicción…..

Sorry, I read Stop, and Janes Addiction popped into my cranium. Anyways, how about a 2+2 version of the new Z. Though, the proportions of the original S30 2+2 was “off”, maybe the new Z could look sexy as a 2+2. On the flipside, a 2+2 Corvette or SUV could make it rain money for GM.

10001010
10001010
2 years ago

Now I’ve got Jane’s stuck in my head too

MaximillianMeen
MaximillianMeen
2 years ago

Nissan has the Infiniti Q60 that is a 2-door 2+2 on the same platform as the Z, so it wouldn’t much more than new sheet-metal stampings to reintroduce a 2+2 Z.

As for a 2+2 Corvette? Not too many 2+2 mid-engine cars in the world. It would take some major redesign to do it, and it would be huge (see the MegaTrack). Besides, isn’t the Camaro essentially the 4-seat Corvette? Of course, GM could take the Ford approach and just slap some Corvette design cues on an CUV EV and call it a day.

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