Welcome back! It’s the second day of the week, and it’s already Wednesday! How cool is that? Every weekend should be a three-day weekend. If I ever run for office, that will be my platform… Anyway, we’ve got a couple of far more interesting cars today, after yesterday’s snooze-fest. Let’s see how the vote turned out.
So that means Rowdy won? He was in the Ford, right? I know it wasn’t the Dread Pirate Roberts, he shows up later in the movie. (I had to make sure I got in a Days Of Thunder reference, after missing the opportunity yesterday.)
Now. It has become a rallying cry among enthusiasts: “Save the manuals!” And believe me, I’m right there with you all; I’m wearing a T-shirt that says “Two Pedals Are For Bicycles” as I write this. (Not kidding.) So it’s encouraging when someone goes to great lengths to keep a manual-gearbox car on the road, and an opportunity to keep the worldwide fleet average up when a manual car shows up that needs to be revived.
Today, we’ve got one of each: a Saab that’s been to the moon, and a Fiat that’s a bit of a fallen star. This could get interesting: we’ve featured two Fiats and two Saabs before, and they’ve both won both times. Someone’s undefeated record is about to fall. Let’s see whose.
1981 Fiat Spider 2000 – $1,600
Engine/drivetrain: 2.0 liter inline 4, 5 speed manual, RWD
Location: Garden Grove, CA
Odometer reading: unknown
Runs/drives? yep, but has been off the road for a while
Last time we looked at a Fiat Spider, it was a basket case. This time, it’s at least all in one piece, and even runs! It does look like it’s been sitting a while, and possibly with the top down. The interior is nasty. It’s all there, at least, even the amusingly tiny back seat. They call this a 2+2, but the back shelf-with-seatbelts is completely useless to anyone who doesn’t represent the Lollipop Guild. Might be a nice place for your dog to ride, though.
By 1981, the Spider’s Aurelio Lampredi-designed twincam four had grown to 2 liters and gained Bosch fuel injection, so at least there’s no carb tuning to worry about. You’ll have to smog it, though, if you live in a state that requires it. And as always, “runs and drives” doesn’t mean you can hop in it and head straight for a run up PCH; depending on how long it has been sitting, there might be all sorts of soft bits that ought to be replaced. And you absolutely, positively must replace the timing belt immediately, if not sooner.
It looks like it’s worth saving, though; I don’t see any obvious rust, and while the interior is ugly, all that is fixable. Or gut it and go for the race car look. The outside is faded, but more or less straight; I’m pretty sure it used to be sage green, but it’s hard to tell. That lovely Pininfarina coachwork deserves to shine again.
1990 Saab 900S sedan – $2,200
Engine/drivetrain: 2.0 liter inline 4, 5 speed manual, FWD
Location: Sacramento, CA
Odometer reading: at least 240,000 miles
Runs/drives? Yep
Ah yes, our old friend the Saab 900, the sport sedan market’s weird uncle. This is sadly not a hatchback, nor is it a turbo, but all the Saab greatest-hits-of-oddities are present and accounted for: the backwards-facing engine, the ignition switch in the center console, the gearshift that has to be in reverse before you can take the key out, the massive ’50s style wraparound windshield. But there too is that sure-footedness and that rock-solid feel.
The seller says they saved this car from the crusher in non-running condition, got it going again, and then the transmission “kersploded,” to use the seller’s term. After that, both engine and transmission were replaced with lower-mileage used units, along with a new clutch and a bunch of refreshed seals. It’s said to run and drive very well now.
Inside, things aren’t quite as rosy: the seats look like they had a date with Jack The Ripper, and the airbag is disconnected. But a thirty-year-old airbag is a little suspect anyway, and seats can be reupholstered. You could even throw some cheap covers on them and ignore the tears, if you want. Outside, it looks just fine; I swear, Saab 900s don’t age. They all seem to look about fifteen years old, no matter how they’ve been treated.
Ignore the “Turbo” badge on the hood, by the way; the seller says the hood has been replaced.
So there they are: one manual that needs saving, and one that’s well on its way to being saved. Both are worthy of some attention, and either one would make a cool runabout with some elbow grease. Which one will it be?
Saab! Always wanted one of these old 900s, when me and my dad went shopping for my first car it was between a 87’ Saab 900 Turbo 2 door which was a manual or an 89’ Volvo 760 Turbo which was an automatic; my dad got me the Volvo because he hated manuals and didn’t want to teach me; to this day I regret not getting the Saab.
I am bounded by law to vote for the Saab.
Esthetics . . . Fiat!
I would go with the Saab. My friend’s Dad had a 900S that I absolutely loved. The Saab has personality and is well built. Plus I’ve already had a 2 seater convertible with a bad top.
The Saab for me. I know for a fact that Fiats from that era are CRAAAP by comparison.
The Saab is quite the looker even with 4 doors. I am almost too tall for an S2000, so I doubt the Fiat would work for me.
This one was TOUGH! I love these little Fiats, but that thing has a ways to go. $1600 is F* it money, though, and routine maintenance looks to be a little easier than that Saab. I’ve never been big on Saabs, but I’m digging this one for some reason, and someone has already gone to the trouble to get her on her feet mechanically. It looks pretty good from the outside, too. It would be very satisfying to give her the deep cleaning and buffing she deserves. I bet I would be surprised how good it looks, and I love true automotive rescues. Tossed the coin, and went Saab today. Checked the survey results, and my vote made it up to a perfect 50/50 split – very appropriate. I doubt it changes much as the day goes on….
I want to love the Fiat but that interior… Also, people noting that the cabin is more snug than a Miata which I already don’t fit in doesn’t help.
Meanwhile, having driven a number of my best friend’s Saabs they are quirky fun. A couple of weeks ago I got to borrow my best friend’s 9-3 Viggen convertible for a few days and had a blast with it. Throw some seat covers on today’s candidate car and have a good time.
If that Saab was a two door it would have been a more difficult decision. Fiat gets the nod on this one.
I voted Saab after asking which I would trust after the first round of repairs. Ask again tomorrow and I’m as likely to choose Fiat.
Fix It Again Tony is what my pops would always say
I will take the Spider everyday, if only it was closer or ran. Shipping a car from California to Florida would cost more then the purchase price.
Do a fly out, drive it back, Vice Grip Garage style. You’d likely die in the desert, but hey, adventures always suck when you are having them. 🙂
I vote for Mark for the 4 day work week platform
I voted Saab just for the word “kersploded”
I feel this was a prime opportunity, and missed, for the proper use of “borked.”
I would have voted for the Fiat if not for that interior. Blech. The Saab’s interior is worn out, but the Fiat’s interior is downright disgusting. That thing will still have an odor even after you strip it out. The Saab will look surprisingly good after you throw some decent covers on the front seats.
“Two Pedals Are For Bicycles” and Four Doors are Two Doors Too Many. Fiat all the way.
Goddamn, this is a tricky head (saab) v heart (fiat) match up. It’s fitting that the voting is 50/50 at the moment, but I went with the fiat. Looks too fun to pass up, and gorgeous.
This is MUCH more interesting than yesterday’s candidates. We’ve gone from two boring, interchangeable, plain-white-rapper disposable appliances to two interesting and quirky and very unique options.
Yesterday was hard to vote because I didn’t want either, today is hard to vote because I want both! I went Fiat though, but if the Saab had been a turbo that might have gone the other way.
As the current owner of a 1981 FIAT Spider 2000 (the correct name for the FI version), I have to chose it. Parts for those cars are still plentiful, and they are easier to work on for the average home mechanic. However, if you find a Miata a snug fit, things are tighter in the Spider, and the passenger might as well just put their feet on the dash because the FI cars also got an old GM style cat, so to make it “fit”, Pininfarina (who actually built them) just stamped an ottoman-sized bump in the passenger side floor pan which takes up roughly 77% of the passenger footwell.
I love the weirdness and durability of SAABs but they are unique in ways that can make fixing them a challenge.
There needs to be an option for “I’ll take both, please”
This the rare sh*tbox showdown where I have owned both cars. I’ve had two Spiders (1979, and a 1982), and I’ve owned an 89 Saab 900S. The 82 Spider was a bit of basket case, but the 79 Spider was my daily f’ing driver for 3 years. During that time I was shuttling back and forth between Atlanta, where my work was, and Radford, VA, where my SO at the time was doing the college thing. Never left me stranded one single time. There were many episodes of roadside repair, but I knew that car inside and out, and I was always able to make it to the other end of the trip. Almost every weekend, drive 5 hours north, and 5 hours south.
The Saab also gave me good service, but I never asked it to do the heavy lifting that little Fiat did. I think nostalgia means I vote for the Spider here.
since i currently own both of these (well the saabs are 9000s) but am more actively working on the fiat i have to go spider.
I know I already commented on this, and it’s also so yesterday.
However: Torch, can we get a 19 part series about why Italians make such good looking steering wheels? Maybe throw a few articles in there about what those British folks smoke in their sheds that made them think 9-bolt patterns made sense?
I’ve owned both at the same time! both were low mileage cars in the 1990’s. The saab was a tank, was rear ended by a steel truck carrying steel I beams. I walked away, car was a write-off though, frame was bent. I miss the thing still. (brakes were expensive, I think the disks were the largest on the market except rollsroyce or something at the time) The spider was a great car too once we got the airlock out of the cooling system. Mechanic tilted it on jackstands until it got out. Ran perfect after that, had to sell to buy our first house 🙁 Was a lovely bruno mogano…
Having owned the turbo version of the Fiat, I had to vote for it.
It was a fun little car that could and did drain a young man’s bank account quickly for repairs.
I’m trying to think of songs to go with these vehicles, SOAD Spider ooor Saab but True from Metallicas commercially successful album. I pick Saab today.
A man called Ove approves of Saab. There is no finer car.
I, however, would have to go with the Fiat.
“Five zeros. Four on the hood and one behind the wheel”
Oh yes, this is my gravy.
I’ve owned an ’89 SAAB 900S hatch and a 1992 900S Convertible (with the weird 2.1…that’s right, not the 2.0). They were charming vehicles in their own right and not bad. Plus they had a very distinct SAAB aroma.
Anyway, on to my point. Lots of automotive enthusiasts love the fastbackish style of the 900S hatch, which is sexy, to be fair. But there’s something about the 900S sedan, with its frumpy fedora styling that looks like something even a bookish, librarian nerd would turn their nose up at. It’s the one 900S I never got to have and I would love to be seated upon that absolutely nuked Fjord-water-blue interior.
That Fiat will break you… literally and metaphorically.
Given these two I’d have to go with the Saab but my heart is in the Fiat having had one. That one though is a long way from nice.