Thousands of dollars of damage are looming beneath the skin of my beloved 1985 Jeep J10 pickup, and there may be nothing I can do to stop it. The cause? A suboptimal body design with strange metal creases and enormous voids that trap water and dirt — voids that I cannot get to without breaking out the cutting disc. Here’s a look at this unfortunate situation forced upon me by Jeep engineers.
I love my Jeep J10. I think it’s the best vehicle I own because of its style, and above all its simplicity. The straight-six engine under the hood will never die, the four-speed manual transmission probably won’t either (and if it does, I can fix it in my kitchen), the cooling system is oversized, the driveline is as tough as nails, and on and on. The truck has everything one could want in a classic pickup: a bench seat, a stamped tailgate, four-wheel drive with manual locking hubs, a stick shift, a regular cab, an eight-foot bed, a gun rack (not that I need it), and absurd amounts of soul.
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It’s for these reasons that I will never sell the J10, which is why I am so concerned about the rust problem threatening to cost me thousands of dollars if I don’t act quickly.
Take a look at any Jeep J10 for sale today (I’ve included some above), and — unless it’s been restored or spent all of its life in a dry climate like Arizona — I bet it’s suffering from significant rust on the bedsides, just above the crease that separates the flat center of the bedside and the more arched lower bedside.
My Jeep J10’s bedside still looks good. There’s a little bit of rust at the crease, where dirt and moisture has gotten caught in the crack from the outside, but it’s nothing major. “How have I avoided the rusty fate of so many J10s?” I’ve spent far too much of my life wondering. Perhaps it was because my truck, which only had about 72,000 miles on it when I bought in North Carolina, always had a cap over the bed and was stored inside a big pole barn. I’m really not sure, but noticing the bedside rust problem on so many other J10s prompted me to dig into the cause of the issue so I could keep my J10 from crumbling.
That led me to the Full-Size Jeep Network forum, or FSJ Network. There, someone named bbelongia wrote a post in 2015 titled “Bed seam rust – why it happens.” That post includes a cutaway drawing of the inner structure of full-size Jeep bedsides. I’ve drawn my own version below:
You’ll notice that there’s a big void between the inside of the bedside and the outsider. Anything that gets into that void is trapped. The bottom of that void, where the most dirt and moisture settles, includes a tiny channel between the outer bedside and a sheetmetal crease (you can see the innards if you click on that forum link; bbelongia cut his bed open). This channel lets filth get into a void below (called the “rust area”), allowing the grime to rest against the outer bedside sheetmetal. Over time, the dirt and grime making contact with the outer bedside — from the inside – yields rust, which gradually eats its way through the steel until it’s showing through the paint.
Shown above is the “rust area” of my J10 — a little channel just above the bed seam that you see on the outside of the truck; this is where where rust tends to form. I decided to check out the state of this rust-prone area by sliding under my truck and drilling a hole into the bottom of the channel (I drilled between the welds shown in the diagram). What I found was alarming:
Look at all of that dirt! Hell, I’m not even sure “dirt” is the right word; it’s mud! There’s filth and moisture trapped in that channel! If I don’t cut this open, remove the dirt, and treat that channel, my bedside will rust out, and — given that the bedside isn’t just a straight piece of metal (it’s arched) — the repair will not be easy. Or cheap.
In many ways, the Jeep J10 is a great example of what not to do to avoid rust issues. There are far too many unsealed junctions between two pieces of sheetmetal, and those junctions lead to voids that take on dirt and moisture but can’t be cleaned out. Take the rust starting to poke through the front of the truck, just below the grille:
My first thought was that I could just take out my turn signal lenses and clean out that area behind the metal:
But nope:
A similar issue exists with the hood:
Look at the two pieces of metal jammed up against each-other, unsealed, with plenty of space for dirt and moisture to get in between. The result? I’ve already got a few pinholes in my beautiful Brooks Stevens-designed hood. Damn:
Other problem areas include the door jambs, which collect water if the vehicle is left to sit too long:
The bottoms of the doors also act as swimming pools until they create their own drains using Fe2O3 as a battering ram. Here’s my Jeep Cherokee Golden Eagle’s door, which is the same as the J10’s:
The Golden Eagle also suffers from a horrible rear wheel flare design. Check out the J10’s design; notice how it’s open:
The Golden Eagle’s rear flare is a boxed-off section with a gigantic void that traps crud.
The result is that the J10’s flare looks like this:
And the Golden Eagle’s looks like this:
These vehicles want to return to earth. But I won’t let it happen. The J10 is my forever-truck.
Time for a flatbed, friend.
Well this explains the M715 treatment that I see on J10s from time to time.
“It the rust offends the, cut it off”
Or something like that?
I knew a guy in SoHo in the 80s that had a J10 with M175 style front fenders and a flatbed conversion.
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Masterseries has a great rust sealing product similar to POR-15, but is way easier to work with in my opinion and just as durable based on my experiences with both products. Masterseries makes a kit you can use to seal areas like the narrow channel you’re talking about.
It would appear California is actively working to keep David out. They are starting with vehicle ban on Gas Only cars. Slippery Slope says the ban progression will be mild hybrids, then gas delivery vans, Plug in hybrids, diesel big rigs, then vintage classics. Everything David owns will be criminal to drive in California, so only criminals will drive 70s Rust Trucks. Likely plot for next Mad Max sequel.
Nah.. next thing CA will do is to put a $4 a gallon tax on gas. Because despite what you’d think, the first way CA responds to anything is to tax middle and lower class folks.
Great article! You should do a deep dive on the Gen1 Tacoma rust issues, that would be awesome
Rust never sleeps. The box on my 1986 Toyota “1 Ton” Pickup died a similar looking death, one of the lower panels fell off during a road trip in a snow storm. The cab still looked more or less OK.
I feel this pain. I am on my 3rd J-truck and my samples are 65, 66, 67. Even as Arizona trucks they all have that bed seam issue. My last acquisition is original 65 with Tornado 6 with 3 on the tree, small rear window. It has the AZ patina, which is baked off second paint job with just a light hint of orange everywhere. I have never washed it either, sadly it is still waiting for a clutch. I couldn’t bring myself to modify an all original truck, but my 67 is calling louder for LS swap. F off Carbs.
Let me know when you are ready to pass on the Golden Eagle. It will look great next to my rotted out T-100.
David,
My friend, you are in the perfect place to help in this tragic dilemma, Australia. Go see what they use to get rid of the stuff and then run full sprint to the store and get yourself an ERPS – Electronic Rust Proof System. I read about them in 4WD Action magazine and think they might have what you need to keep the rust away once you get rid of the infestation in your truck.
Here’s a link
https://www.erps.com.au/